tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post4676313941475235030..comments2024-01-14T16:29:16.030-05:00Comments on killing Mother: Human Exceptionalism and the Fundamentalist Culture of Deathkilling Motherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-90230103467838383812013-02-08T09:41:54.209-05:002013-02-08T09:41:54.209-05:00One particular common reward that accrues from the...One particular common reward that accrues from these physical exercises may be the <br />avoidance of heart diseases and various forms of cancers,<br />way too.<br /><i>Also visit my blog</i> : <b><a href="http://spiritual-public-foundation.org/groups/evolution-of-designer-jeans/" rel="nofollow">dumbbells for sale</a></b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-26062493109970656802013-02-08T09:12:41.049-05:002013-02-08T09:12:41.049-05:00Make an effort to locate some purchaser critiques ...Make an effort to locate some purchaser critiques in the product <br />or service just before you buy it to find out if there are actually frequent difficulties <br />linked with it.<br /><i>Also visit my web blog</i> :: <b><a href="http://shopourclosets.com/blog/255140/bowflex-revolution-resolution-for-your-personal-dwelling-fitness-center/" rel="nofollow">next page</a></b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-12752151266326381862011-05-04T13:06:19.306-04:002011-05-04T13:06:19.306-04:00Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels th...Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way. Another great book is The Arrogance of Humanism, David Ehrenfeld. Here's a quote:<br />"The better parts of humanism are not in question here; when the inappropriate religious elements have been removed, humanism will become what it ought to be, a gentle and decent philosophy and a trustworthy guide to non-destructive human behavior. But before that happens we much come to terms with our irrational faith in our own limitless power, and with the reality that is the widespread failure, in their largest context, of our inventions and processes, especially those that aspire to environmental control."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-78849445392598360992011-04-28T08:03:11.670-04:002011-04-28T08:03:11.670-04:00tsisageya, now it is my turn to be worried about y...tsisageya, now it is my turn to be worried about you. The news from Alabama is terrible. I hope that you and your family made it through the night without incident.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-40244407837433197102011-04-23T12:04:06.985-04:002011-04-23T12:04:06.985-04:00bmmg39, your fallacy is in the generalizations you...bmmg39, your fallacy is in the generalizations you made and the non sequitur arguments I noted above. <br /><br />If you re-read my post you will notice that I am not proposing denying anyone or anything a right to exist. My objection is specifically with ideologies that promote positive human population growth and deny the impacts that this ideology is having on Planet Earth and all non-human organisms. <br /><br />And by the way, my brilliant son is very much aware of the circumstances surrounding his birth, and he is not at all bothered by them. <br />Children are like all other living things. Even if you don't plan for them, it doesn't stop you from loving them unconditionally when they arrive. Conversely, if you don't have them, there are plenty of other organisms on the earth to share your love with. If the birth control hadn't failed, the possiblity that was our son would have been recycled into the universe to become another miraculous possiblity somewhere else. I don't quite understand your argument. Are you saying we shouldn't use birth control?killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-80154002692453970272011-04-23T11:50:09.597-04:002011-04-23T11:50:09.597-04:00mijnheer, wow! what a great piece. thanks for the ...mijnheer, wow! what a great piece. thanks for the link.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-20702996659876105482011-04-23T10:28:35.422-04:002011-04-23T10:28:35.422-04:00On Wesley Smith's human exceptionalism:
http:/...On Wesley Smith's human exceptionalism:<br />http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/bts/vol13/iss10/14/mijnheernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-72291491890384325472011-04-22T14:46:55.547-04:002011-04-22T14:46:55.547-04:00"bmmg39, first of all I would like to appolog..."bmmg39, first of all I would like to appologise for my less than civil tone with you in my previous comment. I was a bit flustered, not by your comment, but by what seemed like a veiled threat from some fanatical right wing detractors. While I stand by my criticism of your fallacious comments, I could have done so without the initial ad hominem dig, and for that I appologise."<br /><br />Well, okay, but can you clarify what, precisely, you found fallacious? Some folks want to try to ensure a more beautiful life for some by preventing others from existing. Where is the fallacy?<br /><br />"And for the record and by way of full disclosure, I have 3 adult children (positive population growth, I know) who I adore and who are the great joys of my life. They are all fantastic people. After the third (oops) child defied all my contraceptive efforts, I realized I had a fecundity problem and responsibly got my tubes tied."<br /><br />Okay...but how does your third "fantastic person" who was an "oops" feel about your having written that (s)he somehow defied all your contraceptive efforts? This is what I mean. It's easy to say the world would be less complicated were there fewer people in it, but it's a bit more personal when you're looking at the human being who was given a chance at life only because "the birth control failed."<br /><br />"And yes, I confess to being one of the world's worst spellers. Thank you for contributing to the conversation."<br /><br />I probably would have let it go were it not for the "taking liberties" remark. Ha!bmmg39http://benevolentgrammarian.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-88755946758714508392011-04-18T15:06:39.033-04:002011-04-18T15:06:39.033-04:00Oh good, I'm so relieved. It wasn't bad a...Oh good, I'm so relieved. It wasn't bad at all in my immediate area but there was much damage and, sadly, some deaths a few miles up the road.tsisageyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-37632302735566747682011-04-18T14:46:17.272-04:002011-04-18T14:46:17.272-04:00tsisageya, you are so sweet to think about me. I a...tsisageya, you are so sweet to think about me. I am in the mountains, so we didn't get the tornadoes but still had some exciting weather with a few trees down. I hope all is well on your end too.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-75916223451046605782011-04-17T20:27:30.099-04:002011-04-17T20:27:30.099-04:00killing Mother, I hope the bad weather in North Ca...killing Mother, I hope the bad weather in North Carolina didn't bother you too much. I've been reading about it and started worrying about you. I live in central Alabama and we got hit pretty hard but not as hard as North Carolina, I hear.tsisageyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-51753846607427759332011-04-15T12:16:21.432-04:002011-04-15T12:16:21.432-04:00Tsisageya, I can tell you read my comment as I int...Tsisageya, I can tell you read my comment as I intended it. Others obviously read it differently. Fascinating.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-40645026146561180302011-04-15T12:13:04.928-04:002011-04-15T12:13:04.928-04:00Rhymer, thanks again for another wonderful rhyme. ...Rhymer, thanks again for another wonderful rhyme. I admire your talents. I also thank you for pointing out the "inflammatory" nature of the cancer comment. I am frankly surprised by the intense reaction it got. If we watch, we can learn something new about human nature every day (even our own).killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-58926678303146937332011-04-15T12:10:29.316-04:002011-04-15T12:10:29.316-04:00bmmg39, first of all I would like to appologise fo...bmmg39, first of all I would like to appologise for my less than civil tone with you in my previous comment. I was a bit flustered, not by your comment, but by what seemed like a veiled threat from some fanatical right wing detractors. While I stand by my criticism of your fallacious comments, I could have done so without the initial ad hominem dig, and for that I appologise. <br /><br />With regards to my calling the human species a "cancer," I welcome your criticism, although my argument is not non sequitur as you suggest, since in no place do I insist that only religious people should be offended by my comments. The essay is specifically about the fundamentalist ideal that encourages population growth as a religious ideal but says nothing and does not comment on other ideals that might also support the concepts of human exceptionalism and population growth. Your non sequitur criticism is a red herring:)<br /><br />Anyway, the discussion of the "cancer" remark is certainly an important one, and as Rhymer points out, perhaps a bit inflammatory, so I would like to clarify. My metaphor relating human beings to cancer was intended to be specifically a biological commentary and not a personal one. <br /><br />My beloved pet dog Steve had bone cancer in his foot. As the cancer cells multiplied, they actually took over the bone, so that eventually, there was no more bone, only cancer. People are similar. We clear cut land and build strip malls, cut the tops off mountains for coal, drag nets across the ocean floor, scraping it clean. Do you see a pattern? When people move in, we tend to annhilate all the other organisms that inhabit that same space just like Steve's bone cancer. Hence my metaphor.<br /><br />And for the record and by way of full disclosure, I have 3 adult children (positive population growth, I know) who I adore and who are the great joys of my life. They are all fantastic people. After the third (oops) child defied all my contraceptive efforts, I realized I had a fecundity problem and responsibly got my tubes tied. I don't think everyone should stop having children, but I think an ideology that embraces deliberate population expansion is misguided and not healthy for Planet Earth. The correlation between ecological detriment and human population growth is irrefutable.<br /><br />And yes, I confess to being one of the world's worst spellers. Thank you for contributing to the conversation.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-52353980072920039382011-04-15T08:41:37.740-04:002011-04-15T08:41:37.740-04:00Humans are exceptional in one respect - in their a...<b><i><br />Humans are exceptional in one respect - in their ability to sequester all the resources for themselves. In nature, when a virus or bacterial infection spreads unchecked, it is called a disease. When an organism multiplies without restraint, it is referred to as a biological nuisance. When cells grow out of control, it is cancer. Within nature, people are a cancer upon the planet.</i></b><br /><br />There's really nothing you can argue with here. killing Mother lays it out very nicely. If you don't like being called a cancer then stop acting like one.<br /><br />After all, what happens when one species over-populates, like rabbits or rats or mosquitoes? They overrun the area, eat everything in sight, and cause disease. Some even build bombs and guns and wage war on each other, destroying life on earth for decades.tsisageyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-36738525013220789872011-04-15T08:21:51.867-04:002011-04-15T08:21:51.867-04:00Killing Mother makes so much more sense,
populatio...Killing Mother makes so much more sense,<br />population, already immense,<br />...and along with its size<br />...inequality will rise,<br />bringing crises, each very intense.<br /><br />Now how many ways can we highlight,<br />the world that we live in is finite,<br />...and if we overshoot,<br />...the point may be moot,<br />preventing it requires some foresight.<br /><br />I have mixed feelings about inflammatory language. It can tell the truth in a very memorable way, but it also tends to be polarizing. I just hope killing Mother's words - which she backs up with references - convince ten times more people than she alienates.Rhymernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-90882385053031308412011-04-14T22:08:38.104-04:002011-04-14T22:08:38.104-04:00"...you certainly take a lot of liberties wit..."...you certainly take a lot of liberties with the rules of logic. First of all, one person's opinion on the state of the world does not reflect a concensus on the part of all people who would like to see the human population stabilized."<br /><br />I wasn't forming a conSensus; Liberality's "why would anyone want to bring a child into this world" sentiments have been echoed by countless others before.<br /><br />"Also, admiting [sic] that the world has some serious problems and that the vast majority of people who enter it today will be subjected to hardship does not imply that one does not enjoy life and appreciate its wonder."<br /><br />Hardship and suffering are sometimes part of life. So are love and joy. It's literally throwing the baby out with the bathwater to say, "Don't have that child, or else (s)he might face hardship at some point."<br /><br />"Those who seek to stabilize the human population do so precisely because life is beautiful, but it is becomming [sic] inversely so with the proportion of a growing human population. We want life to be wonderful for all people and all living things, and this can't be accomplished while humans are sequestering all the resources for themselves. Your arguments are classic non sequitur fallacies."<br /><br />You want to ensure quality of life for some by saying "no" to life for others -- so there's no non sequitur in my argument. If you'd like a non sequitur, see your bringing up religion. One does not need to be religious to object to your having called human beings a "cancer." One can promote sharing of resources and conservation without going to such an extreme.bmmg39http://benevolentgrammarian.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-62195502775564937412011-04-14T14:14:32.933-04:002011-04-14T14:14:32.933-04:00tsisageya, I enjoy our discussions. This recent di...tsisageya, I enjoy our discussions. This recent dialogue has inspired me to write a post on the nature of good and evil. Thank you.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-35112532795106594092011-04-14T14:11:43.652-04:002011-04-14T14:11:43.652-04:00bmmg39, for a self-described "grammarian,&quo...bmmg39, for a self-described "grammarian," you certainly take a lot of liberties with the rules of logic. First of all, one person's opinion on the state of the world does not reflect a concensus on the part of all people who would like to see the human population stabilized. Also, admiting that the world has some serious problems and that the vast majority of people who enter it today will be subjected to hardship does not imply that one does not enjoy life and appreciate its wonder. Those who seek to stabilize the human population do so precisely because life is beautiful, but it is becomming inversely so with the proportion of a growing human population. We want life to be wonderful for all people and all living things, and this can't be accomplished while humans are sequestering all the resources for themselves. Your arguments are classic non sequitur fallacies.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-42521983794178632722011-04-14T12:29:36.405-04:002011-04-14T12:29:36.405-04:00Liberality writes: "Why would anyone want to ...Liberality writes: "Why would anyone want to have children come into this world of disasters? Why would you want to see your offspring suffer?"<br /> <br />May I ask why you choose to go on living -- I mean, if this is such a rotten "world of disasters"? The ZPG crowd seems to love life for itself, and loves doing things it enjoys, but, when it comes to the prospect of letting another human being come into existence, suddenly it becomes a "world of disasters" to which no one should be subjected. Quite a swinging door you have there.bmmg39http://www.benevolentgrammarian.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-25787407854316748862011-04-14T12:20:40.764-04:002011-04-14T12:20:40.764-04:00killing Mother, thank you. I just figure that bei...killing Mother, thank you. I just figure that being able to fight fire with fire, in cases like this, comes in pretty handy. I can't stand what these people do and say in the name of a God they don't even try to know or understand. As you say, he would be alarmed by the atrocities people are committing in his name.<br /><br />I've tried, through the years, to become familiar with scripture from a LOT of different religions. This was partly because of my own personal quest but also so that I could have many arrows in my quiver, so to speak. Plus, it's fascinating to me. I just happen to be most familiar with the Bible since that's the direction I finally chose. In this case, I don't think Mr. Smith could refute it if I were to post the same response over there. He would try but it would indeed get ugly. I'd rather stay here. <br /><br />I know you don't consider yourself a Christian but you seem pretty familiar with the Bible. Remember the story of Jesus going into the desert for forty days and forty nights? Finally satan came to him and quoted scripture to get him to elevate himself and test God. Jesus quoted the overruling scripture each time and finally sent him on his way.<br /><br />It doesn't matter if this is literally true or just figurative. The story, like good poetry, says the same thing either way and can't really be argued with. As you know, it's mighty good to have a full quiver.<br /><br />Thank you, killing Mother. I hope I'm not talking too much.tsisageyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-58100302192989469432011-04-14T10:06:30.072-04:002011-04-14T10:06:30.072-04:00Tsisageya, As a follower of Yeshua, your insights ...Tsisageya, As a follower of Yeshua, your insights are really appreciated. I do not consider myself a Christian, but I do believe that Jesus was a great man and prophet, and if he were alive today, he would be alarmed by the atrocities people are committing in his name. <br /><br />As you are obviously aware, Scripture is a complex and mixed bag of ideas and values drawn from a number of time periods and historical realities and written by very real and (like the rest of us) flawed human beings. Some people insist on taking the most destructive, bigoted and violent passages from the work and focusing on those aspects to support their ideology of hate. I think this is sad. So much wisdom can be gleaned from the Bible if it is only read with an open and compassionate mind as you do. Thank you very much for this contribution.killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-5880775089861474532011-04-14T09:18:15.940-04:002011-04-14T09:18:15.940-04:00Wow. I can't even. Mr. Smith does a good I-k...Wow. I can't even. Mr. Smith does a good I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I impression. Perhaps he's never read the book of Genesis (6:5-6) regarding the days of Noah and humans as cancer upon the earth. God grieved over having created them.<br /><br /><i>The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.</i><br /><br />Maybe he's never read the book of Mathew either (24:37-39) where Jesus says pretty much the same thing.<br /><br /><i>As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.</i><br /><br />There was an ad over there that I couldn't help clicking on. Something called <i>The Prayer Company</i> is selling something called 7+7 Anointing Oil---Healing the Nations in Jesus's Name---Private Label available. <br /><br />Wow. I can't even.<br /><br />Anyone with eyes to see knows that you are not anti-human, killing Mother. The adversary (loaded word, I know) is very good at projection.tsisageyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-966167398123702562011-04-14T08:03:54.746-04:002011-04-14T08:03:54.746-04:00Woo Hoo, This post got some press from a conservat...Woo Hoo, This post got some press from a conservative Christian website where I am described as a "radical anti-humanist environmentalist." To set the record clear, I am not anti-human. I am pro-life in the all-encompassing way. I think all life is sacred, and too many people are not good for humans and all other living things on Planet Earth.<br /><br />http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2011/04/13/radical-environmentalismscientist-call-humans-cancer-on-the-earth/killing Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029992871936764888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2584734024537154964.post-22215748866564078552011-04-13T10:58:18.589-04:002011-04-13T10:58:18.589-04:00Though its inclusion may have been a mistake, I ac...Though its inclusion may have been a mistake, I actually like the book of Revelation for the same reason I like the book of Isaiah. It's the same reason I love the scene in the gospels of Jesus cleaning out the temple and overturning tables and such. But first he stopped to make a whip of some sort. I just love that.<br /><br />I forgot to mention my score. It was pretty good at 0.7 until I got to the food section. Then it jumped to 3.7 (yikes!)and that's how it ended up. Like Rhymer said though, I had to guess at some stuff. I'll be trying it again. <br /><br />Rhymer, nice rhyme!tsisageyanoreply@blogger.com